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Thompson Santa Cruz 2700

1996

by David Pascoe

 

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Thompson Santa Cruz 2700 1996

I'm afraid I don't have an answer to the question that I am most often asked. "Who makes a good boat?" At least in this class. Then, too, there are a lot of differing opinions on the definition of "good."  Heck, nowadays we're not even sure what "is" is. Or "alone." Or the definition of good oral hygene. But I should not get started on that tangent.

This one's nice and fancy and stylish with lots of psuedo plush, the kind of boat that jams the roadside dealerships, competing with the auto dealers across the land. It looks nice, very nice, but lets look beneath the skin and see what we've really got.

As I've said before, and I don't much like to say it again, the market gives you what you want. Or at least what you think you want. Or maybe just the price you want. What's sandwiched in between what you pay and what you get . . . .  here's an example of arithmetic that doesn't add up to expectations.

Of the e-mail we get, we hear some very sad stories. One recent letter told of a 7 month old boat with a list of problems that filled three pages of small print. The poor fellow couldn't go into specifics, he said, because his lawyer said not to.  No leaks from this independent council. Our little beauty here is only two years old, but we can leak all we want to:  the list of things we found wrong with it are enough to choke a horse. Our list only got to 1-1/2 pages of abbreviated notes because the client terminated the survey at that point. Popping out of the mold at a dealership near you with a retail around $58k, I'll leave it to  you to decide whether its "good" or not.

Some people write to ask, "Why do you only talk about the bad things? Why not tell what's right with the boat?" The answer is that what is "right" can be subject to debate, but what is wrong with it is not. We're not talking politics here. Besides, you've got all those other reviewers out there who cover that side very well and I'm not going to devote the rest of my life to typing  all that stuff.

We'll start with the hull. A couple of bulkheads broken loose due to failed secondary bonding. The entire left side of the engine compartment bulkhead was cracked loose. Then there longitudinal stress cracks between the stringers, showing on the inside of the hull bottom, under the engines. Severe cracks showing around the built in swim platform, on the inside and outside, and more up in the bow area at the intersection between bottom stringers and bulkhead. Virtually no part of the middle section of the hull was accessible so it couldn't be determined what was going on within more than half of the hull.

But we can guess. The screws that hold the flange plate for the refrigerator were all backing out and the face plate of the reefer was bent. Portions of the dinette (plywood whacked together with staples) were loose because all the fasteners also came loose. These conditions usually indicate that   the hull framing system is weak and flexing excessively. Bearing in mind that everything inside the boat rests on the hull stringers, when the bottom flexes, everything inside the hull starts moving around.

Thompson27-1.JPG (24496 bytes) Engine compartment bulkhead broken completely loose. Nice wires and hoses hanging out in space, too. Why expect anything to go wrong in a bouncing boat?

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More structural crack, this at hull bulkhead to hull up forward.

The plywood used for the bulkhead and partitions is loaded with knots and other defects. Much of the interior of the hull is framed out with plywood in the form of box beams, with a heavy coating of gelcoat. Gelcoat is brittle, and when the wood absorbs water and swells, well, you can guess what happens. There was exposed plywood in the engine mounting system (it too, is on a plywood box beam), and it can be anticipated that a few years down the road rot in the structurals is going to be a big problem.

Within the cabin area, the bottom is decked over with carpeted plywood, very low to the bottom of the hull, with no hatches and not one bilge pump forward of the engine compartment. Apparently the presumption is that this part of the hull will never get water in it. But we know better, don't we? Else how to explain why the cabin sole and carpet were all wet?

There are no hull side frames, and the only bulkhead is the one aft in the engine compartment. The deck is attached to the hull with screws every 12" or so. The hull sides are fairly thick, almost 1/4". Unfortunately, the deck shell to which it is attached is not. All around the perimeter of the hull above the rub rail, the deck is riddled with stress cracks. This is what happens when you attach a weak part to a stronger part. Like attaching a weak beam to a strong beam, the weak beam will break. Oops.

Take a gander at the top photo again. Notice that the port holes are one inch from the guard rail. Now what do you suppose is going to happen when the boat bumps against a piling? Might as well just put a window on your bumper.

The deck screws are 3" long and sticking out everywhere except in the rope locker where someone had the foresight to realize that these long, sharp screws will do bad things to anchor rodes. So they cut them off. They didn't have the foresight to realize that this would cause all the screws - what was left of them anyway - to pull loose. The bow pulpit, which is part of the deck, is flopping around like a duck-billed platypus.

The large foredeck area, which covers about half the length of the hull, has virtually no support from beneath whatever. Jump on it and the whole deck flutters. Needless to say, the hatch located in the center of the deck is leaking badly and much of the cabin interior is wet. Never mind that the el cheapo hatch has both retainers broken off.

Stress cracks were everywhere on the decks and superstructure area. There were very large cracks around the cabin door. This is easy enough to understand since there is so little support for these structures. The whole deck shell will flutter and shudder when bouncing along the waves. 

Speaking of decks, I really liked the fact that the side decks have 3" between the railing stanchions and house side, so that getting up to the bow was like walking a tightrope studded with obstacles. My size 9 shoe did not fit in the space allotted. Nice to fall overboard with your legs still wedged in the railings. Quick, call that lawyer that advertises on TV! You know, the one who says you may be entitled to a lot of money.

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Here's a good reason not to use butt connectors on 125 VAC wiring. This one is shorting out because it was laying on wet carpet. Note the nice screw sticking out at upper left.

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In addition to a nice, neat tangle of wires and hoses, we have another nice crack at the point where a stringer joins the transom. We have a lot more photos of hull cracks, but this should be enough to get the point across.

Under the vee berth forward, there are deep pockets in the hull that collect water and don't drain. They were full of fetid water and causing a nice green/black slime to grow over the area. The cucarachas liked it too; their own private swimming pools. Some of cheap plywood cabinet drawer boxes in this area were starting to rot. How's that? Because underway, those pockets of water don't stay put but splash around.

The Engines  A pair of Volvo 4.3 liter, V-6 GM blocks with Volvo drives. This boat had been dry stored so the drives were in good shape. Wish I could say the same for the engines. Both had new carburetors and it was readily apparent that all of the exhaust risers had been off and  reinstalled on both engines. Whether or not they were replacements, I couldn't tell. Why? Whatever the reason, this is not a good sign for two year old engines.

There had been a problem with mounting and aligning the port engine: They had to chisel a recess into the center box beam to which the mounts were attached for the port engine onlly, which was 1/2" lower than the starboard. Water was collecting in the chiseled out area and the wood starting to rot around the mount. Then the pulley for the water pump was touching the outboard stringer so that one could not change belts without removing the pump. The pumps on both engines were leaking.

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Engine Wrecker. At upper left is the 1/2" drain hole for the hatch gutter. As you can see, one leaf has plugged it up. Water overflows the shallow gutter and right onto the distributor and other electrical apparatus, steering and other good stuff that shouldn't get wet.

There are no shut off valves on the fuel system. The engines utilize automotive cooling hoses; they were brittle and sounded crunchy when compressed. Worst of all, the gutter around the hatch opening is very shallow and has 1/2" drains that were completely plugged up with debris. Needless to say, the gutters were overflowing onto the engines, specifically onto the ignition system. Perhaps this is what did in the carburetors as well. Then we have a steel water heater screwed down to a flat plywood deck, upon which all that water is running. Nice rusty mess here.

The paneling and cabinets were all torn out around the two aluminum fuel tanks, which are high up on the sides in the "aft cabin." That's because the deck fuel fill caps were leaking water into the tanks. These had been replaced with Perko plastic hinged caps of a sort that look like they will crush when you step on them. I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw these little beauties. Go cheap on the fuel system and you deserve the results. Never mind that one of the fuel filler hoses was crimped nearly in half. It was also nice the way all the electrical system wires were draped all over the fuel tanks.

We didn't do a sea trial because the client terminated the survey before we got that far. This first time buyer had seen enough.

Other Stuff   There is an air conditioner mounted under the rear dinette seat. As with most other boats of this type, most of the interior of the hull is covered with carpet over plywood. Of course they mounted the air conditioner on top of the carpet, and of course there is no drip pan under it. But never mind, the unit is not even screwed down, but sitting there bouncing around.

The carpet headliner throughout is lumpy, water stained and wet. And its always a good idea to put white carpeting in a boat. It looks so nice after two years. Sort of like a mechanic's rag.

The engine controls are so stiff that when I tried to operate them, it looked like the entire helm panel was going to come loose. The helm panel is so thin  and flimsy that the whole panel rocks with the throttles and shifters.

So is the aluminum windshield. Push on the top end and it moves 2-3".

And all that nice cockpit upholstery. Oh, it gets so tiresome writing this stuff up that I have reduced it to a standard paragraph for my reports. One description fits all: watersoaked and rotting. The rear cockpit seat had simply fallen apart.

The bow railings are almost okay, except when I went up to the bow pulpit and rested my butt on the railing, it bent. Not quite enough support. Apparently I misbehaved: one must be very careful with railings and not sit on them. Or perhaps even touch them. For decoration only.

The main 12 VDC switches and circuit breakers are located in the aft cockpit, with a nice, flimsy little plastic cover over it that does not keep the water out. What a great place to put an electric panel, in the open cockpit, down at deck level. Of course when you wash the deck with a hose, it won't get wet. Nor when the salt spray comes crashing over.  No sir, not at all. You are not supposed to get your boat wet. Such abuses are not covered by the warranty.

The boat came with a convertible top and all the covers. The stitching holding it all together is about what you'd expect to find on your shirt. It may last another year, no more.

In the cabin, the cabinetry is mica over plywood, with lots of mica coming loose. Steel hinges on all the cabinet doors were a nice touch, too. So was the plastic sink drain fitting in the head which was fractured.  The interior upholstery is mainly thin fabric over foam rubber, the cushions already becoming misshapen, looking like stuff from the discount furniture store.

What we have here is another "affordable" boat. The purchase price is affordable, but what comes next is not. But in looking this one over, its not hard to understand why it is the way it is. With an estimated new retail price of around $58,000,   profit margins for the builder must be incredibly thin. The only way to make money on such a boat would be to crank them out like a cookie cutter in large numbers, cutting the costs of materials and labor absolutely to the bone. Even to the point that fifty-cent hinges on cabinet doors become important. It just isn't possible to turn out a reasonable quality boat this size for that price.

Of course it is engineered so that on the show room floor, long before it is ever exposed to wind, sun, rain and salt water, it is going to look really fine. Yet after only two years, this is what you are left with. Worth barely half of the original price.

This boat makes SeaRay look like a custom built Merritt in comparison.

People are generally dismayed when I say take a look at the Tiara 2700. Same size, different kind of boat. Not fancy enough. Not a floating camper. Not a floating, upholstered lounge. Built for toughness, not luxury. Problem is, there are no inbetweens. Just none at all.

 

These are "reviews", not surveys, and bear no resemblance to our survey reports. We do not publish the results of the surveys that we perform. Please note that the purpose of these reviews is educational, to help you discern the differences in quality among boats generally. They are not offered as a means to help you evaluate any particular boat builder. We have no other reviews than those posted.

Posted September 30, 1998


 


Chapter 1 
Basic Considerations
Chapter
 
Boat Types: Which is Right for You?
Chapter 3  
Old Boats, New Boats and Quality
Chapter 4 
Basic Hull Construction
Chapter 5  
Evaluating Boat Hulls
Chapter 6  
Performance and Sea Keeping
Chapter 7  
Decks & Superstructure
Chapter 8  
Stress Cracks, Finishes and Surface Defects
Chapter 9  
Power Options
Chapter 10
The Engine Room

Chapter 11
Electrical & Plumbing Systems
Chapter 12
Design Details
Chapter 13
Steering, Controls, Systems & Equipment
Chapter 14
The Art of the Deal

Chapter 15
Boat Shopping

Chapter 16
The Survey & Post Survey

Chapter 17
Boat Builders by Company

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Chapter 1   
What is Pre-Purchase Survey?
Chapter 2   
Business Practices and Client Relations

Chapter 3   
Sound vs. Seaworthiness

Chapter 4   
Procedures

Chapter 5   
Hull and Its Structure

Chapter 6   
Surveying the Hull
Chapter 7   
Using Moisture Meters

Chapter 8  
Stress Cracks & Surface Irregularities

Chapter 9   
Deck & Superstructure

Chapter 10   
Cockpits

Chapter 11 
Drive Train

Chapter 12 
Gas Engines

Chapter 13 
Fuel Systems

Chapter 14 
Exhaust Systems

Chapter 15 
Electrical Systems

Chapter 16 
Plumbing Systems

Chapter 17 
Sea Trials

Chapter 18 
Appraisal

Chapter 19 
Reporting

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The Marine Investigator
Chapter 2

The Nature of Investigations
Chapter 3  
The Nature of Evidence
Chapter 4 
Marine Insurance and Issues of Law
Chapter 5  
Bilge Pumps & Batteries
Chapter 6  
Finding the Leak
Chapter 7  
Sinking Due To Rain
Chapter 8  
Fire Investigations
Chapter 9  
Machinery Failure Analysis
Chapter 10
Fraud Investigations
Chapter 11
Interrogation Techniques
Chapter 12
Reports
Chapter 13
Deposition & Court Testimony

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